Everything head ver done, where he worked etc. I have been working in the sell side research department of one of the largest investment banks in Egypt for about 4 years now and have worked for a total of 7 years in the industry with 3 years experience in another IB. He clearly understands what he his explaining and ultimately whether you make sense of it or not is all down to your basic IQ and level of understanding.
What he teaches you is an investment strategy called Global Macro which is implemented by a wide variety of hedge fund managers around the globe and is the main strategy employed by Ray Dalio who runs the largest hedge fund in the world Bridgewater.
Ultimatley the theory behind global macro is that by using certain forward looking economic indicators leading indicators you can predict what the economy is going to do based on historical and current probabilities and this allows you to make certain predictions for the overall stock market and different sectors and stocks within it.
So the whole aim is to use certain economic indicators for specific countries based on the makeup of the economies of those countries. You are next taught a framework called the WISH framework which stands for world, industry, stock and having discipline and this is the framework you use to generate trading ideas by starting of with forming a world view, then an industry view, then a stock view and finally using a gatekeeping process involves technical analysis to best time your idea and manage risk effectively by using the average true range to determine stops and targets.
This is a very summarized version of what is taught in the course. I see most people on here complaining that its mostly fundamental and macro oriented whereas that is the process used by the most successful hedge fund managers in the world, as the saying goes I have never met a rich technician and the same is true in the stock market.
Technical analysis is used as a confirmation indicator to your previous predictions based on fundamental views but you cannot predict the future using present and historical price levels!! Yes 59 No 6. I totally agree with what you said, I already took the course and had the examination. Please let me know if possible. Thank you so much. I met Anton Kreil for lunch when he visited Australia where I attended one of his spruiking seminars. The biggest problem with Anton is that he has never openly disclosed his trading history.
He sells a dream — there is nothing more to him. I suspect he has made more money selling his courses than he has from actual trading. I did not learn a single thing from the 12 hours that I spend with him. This guy is glib, superficial and has not very much to offer if you are seeking an education.
Worst of all, he tends to be extremely obnoxious when drunk. Cannot agree more with the comments above. Mainly fundamentals and lack of technicals. He also does spreadsheets on ATR, total waste of time, just use Supertrend indicator, same thing, or ATR indicator on a 12 month setting.
The guy isnt honest. I know a guy that spent time with Anton, got to know the ins and outs. He said he is a VERY insecure person, hence the big ego. Also he constantly cheats on his wife Meng, this guy has video and pics to prove it as well. Now if he is willing to do this with his wife, what does that say about how he treats the minions? Ive been to the bar with him, he buys pints to lure f kwits into his legendary stories of Wall St, snorting coke down the side allies pre market open after a big weekend and his general greatness.
He didnt retire, he left JP Morgan London after a falling out with upper management, he told me. It was either leave or be fired. Apparently someone who worked for Anton, pirated it and is distributing. Yes 15 No 1. Where could I find the guy who has all his courses on thumb drives? Would be really interesting to see the courses he charges 10k for.
I took the course in December of , I took the one month course which was half the cost. It is very technical, you learn several charts to chart the performance of a stock. It begins with a top down approach of the economic indicators, which ones matter, where to find them.
The course trains you to trade internationally. I had trained as an investment advisor and the information was not covered in any of the classes I took to get licenses and I found the information valuable. As for Anton peddling to make a few bucks, what is clearly evident is that he acts as a recruiter for hedge funds and he has carved himself a niche. Recruiters for major corporations earn big dollars, I think this is a main source of revenue for him and his staff.
He has managed to hire a decent sized group of highly skilled and talented traders to act as mentors for his school. He also sells software programs that do what he trains you to do. Yes 8 No The program looks crappy with shitty audio quality. I know this review was from , perhaps things have changed?
First moments.. Good job bro you might just be able to buy some of the things you wished for Christmas the last year. Your post just hit the jackpot. I started investigating him after seeing the price for his coarse…. They are certainly not worth the money and they are tailor made to capitalize on new entries into this field.
But having said that if you have plenty of money to throw around, then you may find them of some value and interest. They are not a quick rich solution for poor people with limited capital to spend.
The problem is that they draw in those type of people to begin with! You can start trading in shares this instant with a small amount of capital and an online share dealing account. The rest you can learn for free and with trial and error. You would be better to save your money and invest it into shares instead.
From YouTube, I recognise him from a tv show several years ago called million dollar traders where he was a mentor to a group of people selected to trade a million dollar account as a team.
It was real money put up from some guy with a fund who features on the show and Anton was clearly there as a mentor a lot younger and a lot thinner but very clearly Anton. This is a three hour show and quite enjoyable to watch.
Then I looked at several of his talks on YouTube and found one where he is talking at a University and clearly says after that show people from around the world contacted him and asked him how to trade and that is how he got the idea for the trading school. This article is full of lies and deception. Or the author is simply an idiot.
Spot on absolutely shit article. What a load of bs, I guess the author would rather prospect traders take a broker made technical analysis course instead of leaning a proper formal structured investment processes employed at hedge funds and investment banks. This article was probably sponsored by a bucket shop retail trader brokerage. Give me a break. Have the shills watched Million Dollar Traders? I watched it when it first aired and was unimpressed with Kreil. Nothing he shared with the novice traders was in anyway adequate preparation for the world of trading.
None of the novice traders in that show went on to become successful traders. Do you know who makes a better return on money than hedge funds and investment banks?
He got paid a huge salary to work at a bank and that not the same making profits trading an account. Whatever happened to Anton Kreil and his rocket ship? This guy is a bag of nuts. A rocket ship. Who would believe such nonsense? Every time I feel sad and blue, I just imagine Anton Kreil dressing up like a cosmonaut and preparing for blastoff. Always makes me giggle and puts a smile on my face. Maybe people would take Anton more seriously if he disclosed his trading history either thru his tweets or someplace that is verifiable.
He makes more money selling courses than he does trading. If you have listened to Anton, and got access to his Trading course you will know that what this review is trying to depict him to be is exactly the opposite of what he suggests or advices. Throughout the course there is no single moment where he attributes the lifestyle he has to his trading style or approach, and I challenge you to prove me wrong on this one.
Now, if you believe that the value of a currency moves mainly because a doji has appeared continue to live in that bubble. Anton dives in into what really moves the markets, and that is fundamentals, not technicals like what other instructors only teach.
Its sad that the majority of courses outhere end fundamentals in just trading news. The issue of posting track records and what not is a matter of personal preference and how one maintains his privacy. From what I now know and the amount of false information being advertised from websites that are in bed with brokers that only after your money, this review and site sounds like one.
The correlation is just crazy. I leave with you with a challenge too, you painted a picture that looks like Anton promises the lifestyle he has to his students because of what he teaches.
Please provide to us, your thankful audiences, the proof of this claim. All I read is just guessing and feel a sense of jelousy. If you check more videos, you can see him talking with other ex GS colegues.
Maybe you could send an official request to GS and ask about him. I am sure these companies would like to preserve their reputation and at least approve or reject his claims of being employed there. Now, the article is worthless without providing evidence of lie. The price is what it is. Nobody is banned from creating projects and earning money.
There are videos of mentoring programs. You can see how it is going there. I would have to disagree with everything you said, I learned more in one video then the millions of bull shit educators out there put together.
Anton worked as a flow trader working customer orders at gs. Mainly on the uk equity desk I believe. He would have done some proprietary i. Lex van dam was on the uk flow desk for a while but then did prop and was profitable I believe.
I have not paid for his course or any other educators course. I prefer the education of investing that money myself and utilizing whatever resources I can find for free. There is a lot to prove that Anton Kreil is the real deal. He has interviews with his ex comrades at GS online, he does big seminars that are widely attended by successful people and clearly legit. You typical internet hecklers criticize someone for not showing absolute proof of their success and wealth, but at the same time you criticize those who do like Tim Sykes saying it is not real or rented.
Dude there is no end to the mistrust of the internet. People even believe that Obamas birth certificate is fake and that the holocaust was faked. Pretty much everyone who knows anything agrees that Tim sykes is real, he is a successful penny stock trader, which is not hard to be.
Another thing, is that Anton is involved with Lex Vandam, who provides a very good education through his FREE videos on youtube about trading and idea generation processes and is without a doubt real. AM I saying to pay for any online course?
Would it pay off? Probably if you were starting out with 25k or more, but when the cost of a course would be percent of your portfolio or more there is no point.
Learn on your own take what free lessons you can. It just sucks to hear all these disgruntled internet dbags one of the few trading instructors who are sincere and have valuable info to share not only in their paid courses but also for free.
The seminars are a lot cheaper btw and probably better. I Guarantee you may not get even number 1. I had done a somewhat detailed review of his forex course as one of my friends is taking it and I was following along. They way he teaches you to trade is very different from the charlatans. Like most people I read some books and watched some YouTube videos. So to summarize, say what you want about him personally, but his course is definitely worth the price and does change your perspective on the markets.
This review is absolutely embarrassing for your website; it literally destroys any credibility you had as a trading education reviewer. In fact, this review proves that not only most trading educators out there are charlatans, but also that you cannot even rely on education review websites either!
I used to be a technical analyst trader, started my carreer around I learned a lot in public videos provided on the internet youtube but was also left with a lot of unanswered questions. Starting I was so far that I started writing my business plan to become how I believed a professional trader. Based with the experiences and knowledge I made with these trading videos. Then later I watched the PTM series and a lot of my questions got answered.
Unfortunately new questions also appeared. But my overall understanding of the trading world increased. Getting a world view and a proper position how the economy of a country goes. But he was certainly an eye opener. In fact he repeats all the time that trading is not easy. That going through all the steps are not easy either and that it may take time to get things going. Ever been on an IT course? They charge you far more for far less….
One thing I must admit! You need to get your brain towards a more economic approach. The charts comes later — once you understand how the economy of the country looks like. I wished there has been less errors in the Slides and Presentations. I came along plenty of typos, writing errors, number errors and so on. If you know any better sources then please edit your review and add the links there so we can follow them and make up your own mind.
You even got the name of the company wrong in the summary. My guess is you have not taken the course at all. I agree he can be a bit flashy but I think you have him pegged wrongly. Watch this video where he points out his and his instructors verifiable work history. Here you can check his register history with showing his positions held at Goldman, Lehman and JP Morgan.
He is certainly no Tim Sykes. Anton has put out on eye-opening video on the retail trading industry from the top to the bottom and exposes the behind the scenes workings of the industry that cons retail traders into daytrading scams. It was posted last week and then taken down after some legal threats he got from trading educators. He has since reposted it after consulting with lawyers and being assured there is nothing illegal in it.
Hopefully it stays up. Anton is right about the brokerages and their employees, generally. They read posts on trading forums but never share any information or interact with clients or the trading community beyond posting marketing material. They have a hidden agenda and remarkable lack of transparency. The educators may appear to be independent operators but in reality they are the marketing arm of the brokerage industry since they get referral kickbacks and royalties from the customers they refer.
In fact they are incentivizing all the BS by maintaining IB contracts with the educators and requiring them to teach daytrading so as to rack up the most commission. You hit the nail on the head. Watch the videos on youtube. Guys who want to become traders travel to the Caribean and learn the art of trading from Anton Kreil and his business associates.
The newbie traders do not only pay for the course but have to cough up the money for the flight, the stay at the 5 star hotel, the 5 star meals and the vacation trips. The 2.
Have heard it all in this crazy business. But Anton claiming a private spaceship…I roared with laughter. I only watched one of his videos for 2 minutes until I smelt the rat and had to turn off. Hey guys. NYC HF Guy has presented perfectly the strategy for validating any and all claims made by Anton and the Institute, for those seeking truth. By the way, if you attend a seminar you would know this, but you weasels are probably too scared to approach this organisation after trashing them, fortunately enough for me.
Case in point: Institute mentor Hichem Djouhri; you are one google away from seeing his publicly available statistics. Good luck in life champs, hope this website works out better than your pathetic trading careers.
Regards, Callum King. For fucks sake when are people going to wake up! This man is in a industry rampant with fraud. He can probably manage risk and pass on his knowledge to students, but there must be a way for perspective students to evaluate if the lessons will create a way for them to earn money trading eventually.
The knowledge has to have the end result of making money managing risk as a trader. If you feel asking for his trading performance is too much then how about the success rate of past students. There really should be something. If an educator truly cares about their students which their sales pitch states then is that too much to ask.
Provide something to allay the fears of many. Actually, I have access to a Bloomberg terminal. The big question is why would a supposed multimillionaire trader be schlepping a trading course to retail traders?
And has anyone ever audited his trading results? And the bit about taking a rocket ship to outer space? Plenty of smoke here. Would be happy to draft a new review, but it needs to be based upon actual performance. Can you imagine if Anton Kreil were to march himself into the office of Carl Icahn? What would be the first question that Carl would ask?
Lets see your performance…. OK well im not bothered by it as much as you clearly are for whatever reason.. Also it looks like he left JP Morgan in which would make him So your 25 number is factually incorrect also;-. Where is the source you referenced? The answer is simple.. His career is public on Bloomberg and you know the answer to this as you have said yourself. You have access to Bloomberg and you are well aware of his career.
Lets see your performance. Who are you?.. If not then its a lie. But i think he probably has the money to do it. This just doesnt make any sense. I think you are risking being sued here. There are a lot of misrepresentations, mis-truths, inaccuracies and defamatory comments in your article about him that are clearly designed to sensationalize and hurt his reputation intentionally. I hope you have deep pockets. Plan on taking one on equities. Great video series and tons of information.
Top down macro approach with all the information you need from how to organize in excel to how to develop a trading plan and managing leverage. Gives all the ins and outs. Great lesson that I will keep with me rest of my life. Recommend it. I am late to this discussion, but I have to say this guy truly intrigued me after reading the review.
I became obsessed with trying to figure out if this guy is the real deal. Let me explain, I worked at a large institution on the trading floor and this guy described the trade process at these large banks perfectly. Now I know all this means is that he may have worked in sales and trading. I also watched many of his videos and this guy seems to know what he is talking about when it comes to risk controls and more.
What I am trying to get at is this guy had me lured in to watch these videos and try to find a crack in his sales pitch. What I realized is this guy is a master salesman, maybe the best I have ever seen. This does not mean he can teach someone to trade profitably especially if there is no verified trading performance. I worked on a trading floor right out of college in production.
Then I moved into trading for myself and failed miserably for many years. My point is if I had a hard time sifting through the shop talk then a brand new person with zero knowledge looking to change careers are really up against the wolves. It takes many years for most to just turn a profit, let alone live the life the new genre of trader porn is trying to portray.
I have to admit. I know all these penny stock rooms and trading rooms claiming ridiculous performance numbers are bogus, but I have found myself just watching the trader porn because it just shocks me that there are guys making these videos like they truly are great traders.
I started enjoying the exotic locales, the sports cars and the new ways for these operators to lie. It has become a new form of entertainment for me. Anyway, great work! New genre in movies….. Trader porn. Just to clarify, I stated that the man, from the little I can gather from watching some videos, obviously knows what he is talking about.
I also stated that he intrigued me because he is also a very good salesman. I just think one has to be very careful in a cesspool of frauds out there before paying for an education that may or may not be worth the money.
I think that is great advice for any new trader just starting to trade. Realistic expectations are key to the ability to make through the lean months and years. By the way, if researching someone on Bloomberg constitutes research then your research must be the edge every fund is looking for. Next time attack someone that refers to this man as a a fraud. Where as I clearly stated this man knows the business.
Does your research include reading English? I have been Trading for over 10 years and failed for 5 of those, there were times when I had to give up for a while just to get some money in. I would be too scared that someone would try to package it up and sell it. So this site is all about getting hits and trying to generate adsense revenue. Sensationalism, exaggeration, lies and tailgating off peoples names seems like the business plan. Currently the site is monetized with Google Adsense, which is currently generating about a dollar a day.
After I get reviews up, the site should generate enough to pay staff to continue to monitor. The grunt work is off shored in the Phillipines to keep costs at a minimum. The final result should be a self sufficient site where ad revenue is pooled and anyone that wants to write reviews, can serve a dual function of writing performance reviews and earning money by trading the best performing services. This system is working pretty well with my teenager, he trades a small account and gets to keep whatever is earned by matching the trades as per the room moderator.
In exchange, he does the grunt work of time stamping the video and writing a summary than can be used for further reviews. This guy Anton Kreil is arrogant and full of hot air. He spends his time berating not just other trading educators, but then qualifications like the CFA. He even tries to make his company sound like some official body.
Get over yourself. Just another self-proclaimed trading guru. I have been reading your reviews for quite a while now. I can not believe what horrible trading educators are out there and how misleading they are to the general public. How you can make it in months. When in fact it takes years to figure out different market cycles and certain market conditions that will last for months then just change on you in a flash rendering your style useless.
I have to say that this review I stumbled on has me almost fooled in favor of the educator. I worked at large investment bank for years in sales and trading and this guy is extremely accurate about his assessment of the industry then and now.
He also seems to be very knowledgeable or at least can talk the game about trying to become a profitable trader, but that just shows you how easy a new trader with zero experience can be misled. I worked right out of college into sales and trading then I left to take risk for myself and failed miserably for years. I even tried a guru many years ago with all my experience and wasted money and months with a guy that probably never put on risk in his life.
Even after all this, I was still mesmerized when I stumbled on to your review of this guy trying to read his lines and figure out if is he is telling any truths or is it all total bs. One thing I can say that this man is a master salesmen.
One of the best I have ever seen if he is not really trading. I think maybe 1 out of can be successful in months and sustain success without any blowups or very lean years. Your reviews of these guys have me watching their you tube propaganda videos just for the entertainment.
It really shocks me, especially the penny stock gurus trader porn. There should always be verified performance. This is truly the worst type of scam to push on people that lack the knowledge to know better. You should correct that part of your article.
Nevertheless, investment adviser is more of a salesman, hobnobbing with clients and so on — I very much doubt his role was to trade an X amount of money, hedgefund or CTA style — as his entire demeanor implies.
Ok so you get that the IA is a license in general that all sales traders etc at banks need to get. All of them. Second posting of this, I assume it did not get through approval — cannot think why? If ignored again, I will use other means to expose the lies in this review and Vlad.
Are you serious? Going back to the Institute, I am quite surprised at this attempt to knock them. Each and every one of their mentors has held professional trading positions at large institutions, it does not take a lot of research to find that out. Who would you rather learn from, the usual tripe you post about on here — i.
I have taken both of their courses, and each provides a pretty in-depth framework to trading the Global Financial Markets. Each video series is geared towards ensuring the student understands the fundamental principles behind the trading approach; providing systematic processes for trade idea generation, followed by frameworks to help time trades and manage risk effectively. The easy way would be to create a noddy 5-hour DVD course on candle-stick patterns, or whatever else it is these day-trading rooms promote.
Instead Anton teaches a very professional approach to the markets. Only an imbecile would compare what the Institute offers to the other nonsense you write about on here, in particular the day trading rooms that are very very questionable at best. You cannot please everyone.
I wonder if Emmett gets a commission, or was he perhaps duped by Vlad into writing this?! I dont know Vlad. But I think his writing is very fair. My original article was much more critical, but Vlad actually helped me tone it down a bit. Look, the trading educational space if filled with all sorts of puffery and nonsense.
Part of the review is to get the educator, mentor, system developer, etc to step up and show some sort of track record. The Linked profiles that proclaim connections are pointless. The CNBC shills are pointless as well.
However, am always willing and able to draft a new review. If Anton is the real deal, then he should have no problem giving his audience some sort of performance record. If he is not, then how is Anton any different than the rest of crowd?
Anton is a world-class salesman. Really, truly. Social media glitter. All the sizzle, but none of the steak. A former trader turned comedian. Preston James used to have testimonials of Jon Najarian on his defunct options mastery site too.
The point was clear; Vlad charges euros a month for mentoring…. Why should anyone pay him euros for mentoring? It strikes me as a much more worthwhile question than questioning what the Institute offers — from individuals who have worked at Hedge Funds and Banks. Heck, I even let anyone come onto the site and pitch their trading products. Org wide open. But you better not have thin skin or act like a whiny baby, the mob can be brutal. So go ahead, pitch your products and services, I could care less.
I think that the last 10 years has demonstrated that the financial industry is without any moral compass and they are as close to thieves as it is possible to be.
Being hired by these criminals and thriving in that environment makes you a perfect candidate to participate in further criminal scams. Anton and his shills should put up or shut up. All I can say is you are named appropriately. Gee you are off. Defending con artist. What a sad world we live in. And what possible issue you got with Vlad. It seems to me you are the one that just promoted Vlad even though I think you did not mean to.
No Geoff, I think you are mistaken about whose time you have wasted with your posts. The same thing is being asked of the Institute of Trading as has been asked of everyone reviewed on this site.
Where is the proof of your claims, where are your trading stats? Gosh and I was trying to be nice. Already got enough fights with mindless shills, so I went easy and this is my reward.
No nice guy next time. Hey Geoff, or should I say Anton Kreill, why did you blocked me on Twitter just for sharing a link to this article? Let me clear the air for you: 1. Moreover, what kind of moron would go to all the trouble to fake performance in order to show a negative one?! Once you read actual trade performance, per the calls that the gurus make, just judging the calls using historical data after their calls, not even real trades , it is pretty clear that credentials of any kind mean diddly-squat when it comes to trading the markets.
See dome performance results right here. I learned a long time ago most of these top people at brokerage houses do not get there based on trading performance.
They get there based on ability to sell. They are great sales people thus make the company money. Idiots Anonymous You have an appropriate name. Emmett has a mentor program? Or were you referring to Vlad? More evidence that you are aptly named.
How can exposing another charlatan like Anton Kreil make you so hostile? I smell shill. What are his credentials? I know for a fact at least two individuals who have doubled their accounts after taking the courses, although I am sadly not one of them very much a psychological issue for me; like telling obese people to eat less and exercise more, you can take a horse to water etc. Tristan Edwards has worked at Brevan Howard very fucking big Hedge Fund and was hired by Trafalgar Capital Management very fucking big Hedge Fund in to manage a significant amount of capital based on his track record;.
Well the mentoring page has now been closed. This is showing a LOSS of 9. Another Tim Sykes mutant trying to woo buyers of his service by showing pics of girls, parties and cars. If he is so rich and successful as a trader, then why not offer all of his earning from video sales to charity and post the donation receipt on the CNN and newspapers.
I mean if you are going to be a con artist why do the shell game on the corner when you can sell sky scrappers you do not own. This guy puts the small time con artist to shame. He is there new role model. In fact he should open up a education school for them so they can be the best con men they can be.
And you pointed out something interesting, this guy gets on a TV show. To a smaller extent, it reminds of future magazine that publishes Dean Handley articles with out checking anything.
And I see other trading room con artist operators being brought on radio shows and publishing articles; again no one verifies they accomplish anything.
All 3 courses are designed specifically for retail traders and aspiring retail traders and deliver a professional trader level education so that retail traders can implement and emulate the same approach used by professional traders.
You too can trade like a professional trader. Your details were sent successfully! The content of the 28 PTM core course videos are a mixture of an Institute of Trading and Portfolio Managements two-day weekend presentation given by ex-Goldman Sachs trader and Managing Partner of the Institute Anton Kreil and includes footage of Anton at his trading desk, teaching you directly as a one to one student.
You will also be provided with footage of computer screen filming in which Anton and Institute Analyst Christopher Quill show you on their computer screens how to implement all of the processes that Professional Traders go through each week in the Stock Market at leading Hedge Funds globally and Proprietary Trading Desks at Investment Banks such as Goldman Sachs in order to be consistently profitable in the Financial Markets.
As well as covering specific options trading strategies, the course also defines the mandate for retail traders.
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